The pair discuss a dizzying array of topics including the humble origins of their respective careers, his move from mainstream into fetish, the rise of
As a teenager, he left home, delved into Tokyo's dizzying nightlife as a nightclub promoter, did modeling, and was part of an all-male dance revue (like
As a teenager, he left home, delved into Tokyo's dizzying nightlife as a nightclub promoter, did modeling, and was part of an all-male dance revue (like
As a teenager, he left home, delved into Tokyo's dizzying nightlife as a nightclub promoter, did modeling, and was part of an all-male dance revue (like
As a teenager, he left home, delved into Tokyo's dizzying nightlife as a nightclub promoter, did modeling, and was part of an all-male dance revue (like